Discussion - Motorola's premium phones beat Pixel, iPhone for long-term battery health

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Banks84
Banks84
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• 1d agoedited

Apple & Google skip silicon-carbon due to battery swelling, rapid degradation, strict shipping laws, and China supply chains. So don't forget to mention the specifics as to the law and what's stopping him or the barriers they have to cross in order to do so

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n._ol_iv
n._ol_iv
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• 1d ago

I'm using Motorola edge 60 pro and it's been about 10 months old. Currently my charging cycles are at 210 at just 97% battery health.

So according to this pattern, it still has 1190 cycles by charging cycle and 4.5-5 years by time to reach the 80% battery health. So in total I will get 1400 cycles to reach 80% health. Also one thing about samsung is, even if they have higher charging cycles, we have to be aware that it's capacity is less and thus it would need to charge frequently and hence the cycles complete very quickly.

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morehousemula
morehousemula
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• 1d agoedited

Impressive, wishing Motorola all the best in finding a solution to dwindling batteries.

Very satisfied with my Samsung battery life. It's the charging estimate that seems far off than the actual. It usually says an hour but takes 25-30 minutes.

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Memphremagog
Memphremagog
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• 1d ago

One thing people don't talk about enough as a group, although some mention here, is the combination of cycle life, actual battery life, and residual battery capacity.


As stated clearly in this article, cycle life in the number of times the battery can go from 0% to 100% to 0%, while still retaining 80% of its original capacity. So, it is FAR from useless at that point. If you have a battery with a cycle life of 1,200, that means 1,200 days (~3.25Years) if you did the 0 to 100 to 0 every day. But no one does that!


If you average only dropping to 50% every day, that means 2,400 days, or ~6.5 years of essential "battery life" before you hit 80% of original capacity. And again, that battery is far from useless then.


But here's the point often missed: A silicon carbon battery usually offers something like 20%+ more energy density than a graphite anode battery to start with. So, wherever you hit the 80% of original capacity (let's call it at least 6.5 years for most users), the battery you have left is as good as a BRAND NEW graphite-based battery.

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Memphremagog
Memphremagog
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• 1d ago
↵Memphremagog said:

One thing people don't talk about enough as a group, although some mention here, is the combination of cycle life, actual battery life, and residual battery capacity.


As stated clearly in this article, cycle life in the number of times the battery can go from 0% to 100% to 0%, while still retaining 80% of its original capacity. So, it is FAR from useless at that point. If you have a battery with a cycle life of 1,200, that means 1,200 days (~3.25Years) if you did the 0 to 100 to 0 every day. But no one does that!


If you average only dropping to 50% every day, that means 2,400 days, or ~6.5 years of essential "battery life" before you hit 80% of original capacity. And again, that battery is far from useless then.


But here's the point often missed: A silicon carbon battery usually offers something like 20%+ more energy density than a graphite anode battery to start with. So, wherever you hit the 80% of original capacity (let's call it at least 6.5 years for most users), the battery you have left is as good as a BRAND NEW graphite-based battery.

One more thing.....if you hyave a battery with 20% more energy density, you will need to charge it 20% less frequently, right? So, you will reach that "cycle life" threshhold more slowly when measured in units of time. If the cycle life specs are the same, a Si-C carbon battery may last an additonal year past that model of 6.5 years before it hits 80% capacity.

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