Discussion - Meta is threatening to kill your smart glasses if you act like you own the hardware

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DFranch
DFranch
Arena Master
• 1d ago

In this case, I think the public's right to privacy is more important than your right to mod your property. If you are out in the world recording people there should be a way to tell you are recording.

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tokuzumi
tokuzumi
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• 1d ago
↵DFranch said:

In this case, I think the public's right to privacy is more important than your right to mod your property. If you are out in the world recording people there should be a way to tell you are recording.

Depends. If the public is out in public, there is no right to privacy.

I don't get the obsession with "I don't consent to be photographed" while you are out and about. You are already being tracked everywhere by your own cellphone/wearables. Then the streets are covered with traffic cameras. Every business has cameras inside that track your every move. The parking lots are covered too. So, what are you trying to prevent?

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Magma
Magma
Arena Apprentice
• 1d ago

This is stupid because by the time anyone notices the light, many pictures can be taken or many seconds of video taken. Too late. Are you going to demand the person show you recent photos/videos then start a fight if they refuse? What about people that are not tech savvy and thinks the light is just some new fashion statement?


This constant surveillance, photos and videos that god knows what Meta does with them, is not progress. Its not like the average person can say, hey Meta let me look at your servers and the petabytes of data to make sure you are not doing something unlawful or immoral. Are we going to expect our government to be the arbiter of blind justice or morality? Yeah right, lol.

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Magma
Magma
Arena Apprentice
• 1d ago
↵tokuzumi said:

Depends. If the public is out in public, there is no right to privacy.

I don't get the obsession with "I don't consent to be photographed" while you are out and about. You are already being tracked everywhere by your own cellphone/wearables. Then the streets are covered with traffic cameras. Every business has cameras inside that track your every move. The parking lots are covered too. So, what are you trying to prevent?

You are assuming people are ok with that which many are not. They are finally noticing with the Flock cameras. There are sites like Deflock that are dedicated to their removal and/or avoidance. Its not a problem until it is. Back before the internet we werent worried about what the convenience store owner did with the footage of us buying cheetos and a pepsi. Now many systems interact with those cameras and collect that data for opaque reasons.

Obsession…like the people concerned have an undiagnosed mental condition. I have some choice words for your opinion but would probably get modded for it so have an ignorant day.

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ECPirate37
ECPirate37
Arena Master
• 23h ago
↵tokuzumi said:

Depends. If the public is out in public, there is no right to privacy.

I don't get the obsession with "I don't consent to be photographed" while you are out and about. You are already being tracked everywhere by your own cellphone/wearables. Then the streets are covered with traffic cameras. Every business has cameras inside that track your every move. The parking lots are covered too. So, what are you trying to prevent?

So in the US, we have no expectation of privacy in a public place. So if you're in a park, walking down the street, at the beach; it is fair game to be filmed and photographed. I used to have a rather popular youtube Channel and I'd film at like Central Park, Times Square, Union Square Park, etc and it was very rare, but sometimes people in the background would say they didn't consent to being filmed. I always made them aware of the law and told them coming up to say they don't consent when I was interviewing someone else is the Streisand effect in full force. I do not think people should be filmed in private establishments without their consent, like restaurants or bars, or walmart. But even then if they establishment doesn't tell you that you can't; you have the right.


All of that being said, I'm sure there are people that film people all the time without them knowing. I don't mind because I honestly don't think I have any privacy in public. I don't want people to film people in bathrooms or changing rooms or anything, but I assume if I walk down the street, someone has seen me. So to me, I'm more of a "One I buy something, I should own it" type person. I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with a meta style glasses that already doesn't have a light so people can live as they please.


What I DO think should be considered it not posting people on the internet without their consent (unless they were engaged in a criminal act). If people film or take pics out of in public, have at it, but we should have laws that they can't then post those people online.

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DFranch
DFranch
Arena Master
• 18h ago
↵tokuzumi said:

Depends. If the public is out in public, there is no right to privacy.

I don't get the obsession with "I don't consent to be photographed" while you are out and about. You are already being tracked everywhere by your own cellphone/wearables. Then the streets are covered with traffic cameras. Every business has cameras inside that track your every move. The parking lots are covered too. So, what are you trying to prevent?

I'm not talking about random people walking on the street.

Suppose you are talking to your friends out in public. You might gossip about your friends, say crude things, any number of things you wouldn't want to share with the entire world. If you're told you are being filmed, you might not share your opinion of your mother-in-law. Suppose you are not told you are being filmed and that recording of you talking smack about your MIL gets back to your wife.

What if you're at work talking to your co-workers. You say something about your boss that bugs you. your co-worker who was recording you without your knowledge sends it to your boss. now he gets the promotion instead of you.

I'll take the light that can't be hidden.

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jjjtyuyyuj
Arena Apprentice
• 16h ago

Clickbait title and an attempt to manipulate the audience!💩 Shame on you Marian!🤬 You literally want dishonest people to record innocent people without their knowledge!🤬 Meta is absolutely right to not allow you to do it. They would be at least sued for this and you too! And not only…🤬

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tokuzumi
tokuzumi
Arena Master
• 55m ago
↵DFranch said:

I'm not talking about random people walking on the street.

Suppose you are talking to your friends out in public. You might gossip about your friends, say crude things, any number of things you wouldn't want to share with the entire world. If you're told you are being filmed, you might not share your opinion of your mother-in-law. Suppose you are not told you are being filmed and that recording of you talking smack about your MIL gets back to your wife.

What if you're at work talking to your co-workers. You say something about your boss that bugs you. your co-worker who was recording you without your knowledge sends it to your boss. now he gets the promotion instead of you.

I'll take the light that can't be hidden.

Again...public. Nothing is private there. As far as coworker recording you without your knowledge, may depend on if the state is a single party consent or dual party consent.

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DFranch
DFranch
Arena Master
• 49m ago
↵tokuzumi said:

Again...public. Nothing is private there. As far as coworker recording you without your knowledge, may depend on if the state is a single party consent or dual party consent.

Those were just examples off the top of my head. There are hundreds of ways to misuse the camera, some potentially illegal, others just immoral. I don't think an indicator light that can't be turned off is such a bad compromise.

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