Discussion - Samsung considers returning S Pen support to future Galaxy Z Fold models

Would you choose to have S Pen support for the Galaxy Z Fold 9 if it resulted in a thicker phone?

No S pen, no Samsung Fold. The 8 is a no go. The moto razr fold is looking more like an option to upgrade from my Fold 5.

I currently have an s24 ultra and use the SPen all the time. I would not consider any new phone without the SOen. when I have ymto upgrade I will probably have to finally leave samsung

Razr Fold has active stylus support on both inner and outer screens and a 6,000mAh battery, while being just 0.4mm thicker than the Fold 8 Ultra.

Oppo Find N6 also supports active input on both screens and a 6,000mAh battery while being just 0.1mm thicker than the Fold 8 Ultra, and it has less of a crease.

Magic V6 has active input on both screens and a whopping 6,600mAh battery while being the same thickness as the Fold 8 Ultra.

Samsung didn't need to cut the S Pen for thinness. They're just cutting cost and increasing margins. Stop parroting their excuses without criticism.

It doesn't need to be thicker, though.

Razr Fold has active stylus support on both inner and outer screens and a 6,000mAh battery, while being just 0.4mm thicker than the Fold 8 Ultra.

Oppo Find N6 also supports active input on both screens and a 6,000mAh battery while being just 0.1mm thicker than the Fold 8 Ultra, and it has less of a crease.

Magic V6 has active input on both screens and a whopping 6,600mAh battery while being the same thickness as the Fold 8 Ultra.

I see better use for the s pen on these foldables than any of the other devices Samsung has made with it built in. This needs to be done. I'll be waiting to upgrade my fold 7 when that happens.

The S-Pen support was removed b3cause WACOM didn't have a digitizer thin enough for the Fold 7 that would fit for the thin profile of the device.

This components is already very thin and making it thinner means the thing may not work correctly in its present interation.

I am sure WACOM doesn't want to lose their largest customer and user of this tech and am sure they will find a way to make it work.

The S Pen digitizer is literally 1mm. The removal had nothing to do with thickness and everything to do with Samsung padding margins. Every competitor has active stylus support on both inner and outer displays while being just as thin and having a ~20% larger battery.

I am curious as to what another brand does with their device has anything to do with any other brand.

1st, they aren't using the digitizer from WACOM. Those other phones use a different technology, which is exactly why the S-pen doesn't work on those devices.

Those other devices usually have a capacitive display which out the box wipl work with a capacitive pen which is a standard technology while WACOM is a patented proprietary technology.

Again I find it so lame when people try to com ok are a produxt simply because they are similar or share similarities.

WACOM's digitizer has to be designed based on the new phone design to insure it doesn't interfere with other components in the phone. I believe WACOM uses a magnetic styled digitizer. This means the digitizer has to be shielded.

So when you consider that there are other metal components under the screen, like I stated the digitizer has to be redesigned to work as the present iteration may not.

It's not about just how thin, it is also about making it work like I said in the beginning.

Has Samsung ever removed the pen from the Note?

Samsung latest foldable are even more unique using a titanium layer under the display. This introduces another layer that the digitizer it's present state was.not designed to work with.

Wither capacitive displays, th3 technology designed to make them work with a pen is built into th3 electronics of the display. This is not th3 same for a device using WACOM technology.

The original MS Surface also use WACOM and then switch to N-Trig which allows the supporting yech to be made into th3 display itself, not be a separate components like WACOM.

This is why you can't just make a blanket statement about how some other devices works. Different brands use different tech. An appearance of similarity doesn't make it the same

Maybe an unpopular opinion but I don't like how thin the Z Fold 7 and 8 are. The push to make phones thinner feels like a marketing gimmick to visually differentiate models with otherwise incremental changes, or to show year-over-year engineering "progress" (What's even the end goal? Paper thin?)

The Fold 7 was harder to open than the Fold 6 and Fold 8's "fix" makes it easier for dirt, lint and water to cling to the edges. Also can't shake the fragile feeling of the Fold 7/8 compared to the Fold 6 or past S Ultra's of comparable thickness.

I feel that ~10mm is the sweetspot for comfort, durability, and usability. Compromising features just to make phones thinner seems like utterly backwards priorities; imagine the battery capacity phones would have if newer high-density batteries didn't have to fit a thinner chassis each year.